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#91 - Wysłana: 17 Lis 2018 12:28:55
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O ENT "Dear Doctor":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZwtxGSyzU

I - w konsekwencji - o okropieństwach PD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJW7rTG0mL0
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#92 - Wysłana: 28 Gru 2018 19:21:55
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Lore reloaded o hipokryzji PD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hWl0ej9JFw
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#93 - Wysłana: 28 Kwi 2019 19:36:46 - Edytowany przez: Q__
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#94 - Wysłana: 11 Paź 2019 20:48:14 - Edytowany przez: Q__
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Christopher L. Bennett o swoim rozumieniu PD:

The original intended purpose of the Prime Directive was to protect other cultures' freedom to grow and develop naturally. That means you don't conquer them, make them worship you as gods, or arm your favored side in their civil war. It also means you protect them from things that would take away their freedom to develop, like a Klingon occupation, an ancient computer god, or a planetary disaster that would kill them all. Since non-interference was a means toward the end of protecting natural development, rather than an absolute end in itself, that meant that sometimes the Prime Directive required interference in order to deal with other interference or survival threats. The "Pen Pals" notion of "let them die rather than risk damaging them" made for a dramatic ethical debate and all, but it's logically self-contradictory and morally loathsome, and not true to the original intent.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tos-the-captains-o ath-by-christopher-l-bennett-review-thread.299781/ page-11#post-13002767

I o stosunku Kirka do niej:

Actually, I've realized that TOS often fell back on the excuse of putting the Enterprise in danger in order to force Kirk to tear down the social order despite the PD -- see "Return of the Archons," "A Taste of Armageddon," "The Apple," and "The Gamesters of Triskelion." Contrary to popular belief, Kirk wasn't specifically acting with the primary goal of changing those cultures -- he was trying to save his ship, and destroying the oppressive foundations of those cultures just happened to be the necessary way to do that. The first edition of the TNG series bible actually codifies this recurring trope, saying that the PD allows exceptions when the survival of the ship or crew is at risk (although TNG ended up going a different route later on).
Both the TOS and TNG bibles allow exceptions to the PD for vital Federation interests, which probably explains it being suspended on Organia in "Errand of Mercy." It would also apply to "The Cloud Minders," since Kirk is forced to intervene in the Stratos/Troglyte conflict by the need to get the zienite to treat the botanical plague endanering a populated planet. It's the same sort of excuse for interference as above, but with a whole planet at stake instead of just a ship.
The only real case in TOS of interference in a culture to prevent its own extinction was "For the World is Hollow...". They were certainly trying to prevent an extinction event in "The Paradise Syndrome," but barely intervened with the culture to do it, so that doesn't really count (there would've been no issue in "Pen Pals" if they'd just followed that model).
The other main reason Kirk interfered was to counter others' interference -- the Klingons in "Friday's Child" and "The Apple," or the Federation/humanity itself in "A Piece of the Action," "Bread and Circuses," "Patterns of Force," and "The Omega Glory" (wow, late season 2 was jam-packed with these).
"Spock's Brain" is a hard case to classify, and it's odd that nobody ever seems to talk about it in PD terms. Maybe it's because the Eymorgs are both primitive and hyper-advanced depending on how you look at it. And Kirk was just rescuing Spock('s brain) from their abduction, so they were the aggressors. Still, it's the one "forcibly tear down the social order" episode that doesn't have a threat to the entire Enterprise crew to justify it.
("The Mark of Gideon" is an interesting case, in that Kirk doesn't overthrow the Gideonite leaders or subvert their plans. He saves Odona, but then she takes his place as the disease carrier so the plan can go forward. So that's an unusual aversion of the trope of tearing down a society in the name of saving the crew.)

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tos-the-captains-o ath-by-christopher-l-bennett-review-thread.299781/ page-12#post-13003265

The Prime Directive has never been exclusively about first contact. 24th-century Trek repeatedly made it clear that the Directive prohibits interfering in the political and social order of warp-capable societies as well. In TNG, Picard invoked the PD as the reason for not doing anything about the oppressive situations in "Symbiosis," "The Outcast," and "The Perfect Mate," all involving post-contact societies. In both TNG: "Redemption" and DS9 season 2's opening 3-parter, the PD prohibited Starfleet from intervening in the Klingon and Bajoran civil wars until they got proof that the uprisings were being backed by outside powers (respectively the Romulans and Cardassians). In "Captive Pursuit," the PD kept Sisko from interfering in the Hunters' pursuit of the Tosk. In VGR, the PD is why Janeway wouldn't share Starfleet technology with the Kazon, and why she objected to Torres giving the androids in "Prototype" the ability to reproduce. In "Counterpoint," Kashyk pointed out that Janeway had broken the PD by helping the telepaths escape persecution by the Devore. And Tuvok said in "Homestead" that it would violate the PD for him to lead the Talaxian colonists instead of Neelix.
After all, it makes no sense to say that other cultures' right to decide their own paths ceases to exist the moment they invent warp drive. The Federation is free to contact and interact with post-warp societies, yes, but that doesn't mean it's free to overthrow their governments and force them to change their social systems. Yet that's essentially what Kirk does in "Spock's Brain."

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tos-the-captains-o ath-by-christopher-l-bennett-review-thread.299781/ page-12#post-13003569
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