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#151 - Wysłana: 1 Mar 2016 15:42:30 - Edytowany przez: Q__
Z bloga REN - o Treku - bezpiecznym domu dla wszelkich odmieńców: for-misfits/

(BTW. Ha, jeśli twórcy Renegades faktycznie zamierzają iść tym tropem, to może być wartościowa seria...)
#152 - Wysłana: 1 Mar 2016 18:47:16

Taki znów bezpieczny to ten świat nie jest i nigdy nie był.
#153 - Wysłana: 1 Mar 2016 21:08:50

Cóż... Powiedzmy, że redshirci to byli - dla odmiany - ci normalni-i-przeciętni...
#154 - Wysłana: 2 Mar 2016 13:59:47
redshirci to byli - dla odmiany - ci normalni-i-przeciętni.

No i jaki los był im pisany?
#155 - Wysłana: 3 Mar 2016 10:39:01

No i jaki los był im pisany?

Z drugiej strony... czy sami nie pokazali cokolwiek, że na taki los zasługują (w scenie barowej z "jedenastki")?
#156 - Wysłana: 22 Mar 2016 18:14:24
#157 - Wysłana: 3 Cze 2016 20:11:18
Taki dokumencik o ideałach ST, na rocznicę jak znalazł:
#158 - Wysłana: 7 Cze 2016 10:42:39 - Edytowany przez: Q__
Słowa Roddenberry'ego wypowiedziane do Frakesa:

"In the 24th century there will be no hunger, there will be no greed and all the children will know how to read." ntent&view=article&id=1156:leonard-nimoy-and-jonat han-frakes-on-star-trek&catid=27:interviews&Itemid =14

Powyższy cytat poznałem dzięki twórcy takiego oto filmiku, pięknie prezentującego Wizję ST nie tylko na przykładzie TOS i TNG, ale też wczesnego DS9, FC, "jedenastki" (Pike jest pokazany, oczywiście), VOY i pilota ENT:

Sceny, w istocie, dobrane b. dobrze... Aż ma się ochotę zacytować w całości...

Najpierw TOS "The City on the Edge of Forever":

Edith Keeler: Now, let's start by getting one thing straight. I'm not a do-gooder. If you're a bum, if you can't break off of the booze or whatever it is that makes you a bad risk, then get out. Now I don't pretend to tell you how to find happiness and love when every day is just a struggle to survive, but I do insist that you do survive because the days and the years ahead are worth living for. One day soon man is going to be able to harness incredible energies, maybe even the atom. Energies that could ultimately hurl us to other worlds in some sort of spaceship. And the men that reach out into space will be able to find ways to feed the hungry millions of the world and to cure their diseases. They will be able to find a way to give each man hope and a common future, and those are the days worth living for.

Potem TNG "Time's Arrow, part 2":

Mark Twain: Any place that doesn't stock a good cigar doesn't rank high in my book.
Troi: If you must have one, I'm sure we can replicate it for you.
Mark Twain: You think one of these imitations can take the place of a hand wrapped Havana?
Troi: I wouldn't know.
Mark Twain: Well, that's the problem I see here. All this technology it only serves to take away life's simple pleasures. You don't even let a man open the door for a lady.
Troi: I think what we've gained far outweighs anything that might have been lost.
Mark Twain: Oh? Well, I'm not so impressed with this future. Huge starships, and weapons that can no doubt destroy entire cities, and military conquest as a way of life?
Troi: Is that what you see here?
Mark Twain: Well, I know what you say, that this is a vessel of exploration and that your mission is to discover new worlds.
(a Bolian comes out of the turbolift as they get in)
Mark Twain: That's what the Spanish said.
Troi: Deck thirty six.
Mark Twain: And the Dutch and the Portuguese. It's what all conquerors say. I'm sure that's what you told that blue-skinned fellow I just saw, before you brought him here to serve you.
Troi: He's one of the thousands of species that we've encountered. We live in a peaceful Federation with most of them. The people you see are here by choice.
Mark Twain: So there're a privileged few who serve on these ships, living in luxury and wanting for nothing. But what about everyone else? What about the poor? You ignore them.
Troi: Poverty was eliminated on Earth a long time ago, and a lot of other things disappeared with it. Hopelessness, despair, cruelty.
Mark Twain: Young lady, I come from a time when men achieve power and wealth by standing on the backs of the poor, where prejudice and intolerance are commonplace and power is an end unto itself. And you're telling me that isn't how it is anymore?
Troi: That's right.
Mark Twain: Well, maybe it's worth giving up cigars for after all.

I DS9 "Emissary":

[Vision - Baseball field]
Alien-Batsman: Aggressive. Adversarial.
Sisko: Competition. For fun. It's a game that Jake and I play on the holodeck. It's called baseball.
Alien-Jake: Baseball? What is this?
Sisko: I was afraid you'd ask that. I throw this ball to you and this other player stands between us with a bat, a stick, and he, and he tries to hit the ball in between these two white lines. No. The rules aren't important. What's important is, it's linear. Every time I throw this ball, a hundred different things can happen in a game. He might swing and miss, he might hit it. The point is, you never know. You try to anticipate, set a strategy for all the possibilities as best you can, but in the end it comes down to throwing one pitch after another and seeing what happens. With each new consequence, the game begins to take shape.
Alien-Batsman: And you have no idea what that shape is until it is completed.
Sisko: That's right. In fact, the game wouldn't be worth playing if we knew what was going to happen.
Alien-Jake: You value your ignorance of what is to come?
Sisko: That may be the most important thing to understand about humans. It is the unknown that defines our existence. We are constantly searching, not just for answers to our questions, but for new questions. We are explorers. We explore our lives, day by day, and we explore the galaxy, trying to expand the boundaries of our knowledge. And that is why I am here. Not to conquer you either with weapons or with ideas, but to co-exist and learn.

Oraz Star Trek: First Contact:

LaForge: There she is. She's beautiful. ...All right. Take a look.
Cochrane: Well, well, well. What have we got here? ...I love a good peep show.
(Cochrane looks through a telescope and sees the Enterprise orbiting)
Cochrane: Ha, ha, ha. That's a trick. Ha, ha, ha. How'd you do that?
LaForge: It's your telescope.
Troi: That's our ship. The Enterprise.
Cochrane: And Lily's up there right now?
Troi (OC): That's right.
Cochrane: Can I talk to her?
Riker: We've lost contact with the Enterprise. We don't know why yet.
Cochrane: So, what is it you want me to do?
Riker: Simple. Conduct your warp flight tomorrow morning just as you planned.
Cochrane: Why tomorrow morning?
Riker: Because at eleven o'clock an alien ship will begin passing through this solar system.
Cochrane: Alien? You mean extra-terrestrials. More bad guys?
Troi: Good guys. They're on a survey mission. They have no interest in Earth. ...Too primitive.
Cochrane: Oh!
Riker: Doctor, tomorrow morning when they detect the warp signature from your ship and realise that humans have discovered how to travel faster than light, they decide to alter their course and make first contact with Earth, right here.
Cochrane: Here?
LaForge: Sir, it's actually over there.
Riker: It is one of the pivotal moments in human history, Doctor. You get to make first contact with an alien race, and after you do, everything begins to change.
LaForge: Your theories on warp drive allow fleets of starships to be built and mankind to start exploring the Galaxy.
Troi: It unites humanity in a way no one ever thought possible when they realise they're not alone in the universe. Poverty, disease, war. They'll all be gone within the next fifty years.
Riker: But unless you make that warp flight tomorrow morning before eleven fifteen, none of it will happen.
Cochrane: And you people, you're all astronauts, ... on some kind of star trek?
#159 - Wysłana: 7 Cze 2016 13:56:49 - Edytowany przez: Q__
Po nim migawki z TNG "The Neutral Zone":

Picard: What is it, Doctor?
Crusher: It's the people from the capsule.
Picard: Capsule? People? What people?
Crusher: The people Data beamed over.
Picard: I wasn't aware that he had.
Crusher: Well he did, and they were frozen. I thawed them.
Picard: You what?
Crusher: I didn't know what else to do. The crypts in which they were frozen were literally falling apart.
Picard: So what's their condition?
Crusher: Right now, they are all sleeping. Each of them needed minor medical attention. Minor now, but then their conditions were obviously terminal. One had a heart problem, another had an advanced case of emphysema with extensive liver damage. You know the most surprising thing of all, is that each of them had been frozen after they died.
Picard: After they died?
Crusher: Cryonics. It was a kind of fad in the late twentieth century. People feared dying. It terrified them. So... At the moment of death, they would be frozen, so that later, some time in the future, when presumably medical science had a cure for whatever killed them, they could be thawed back to life, healed, and sent on about their business.
Picard: In the case of this group, it apparently worked.
Picard: I'm Captain Picard.
Ralph Offenhouse: Excellent. Now, maybe we'll be able to get some things straightened out.
Picard: We may indeed. Those comm. panels are for official ship business.
Ralph Offenhouse: If they are so important, why don't they need an executive key?
Picard: Aboard a starship, that is not necessary. We are all capable of exercising self-discipline. Now, you will refrain from using them.
Ralph Offenhouse: Now just a minute.
Picard: We are in a very serious and potentially dangerous situation.
Ralph Offenhouse: I'm sure whatever it is seems very important to you, but my situation is far more critical.
Picard: I don't think you are aware of your situation, or of how much time has passed.
Ralph Offenhouse: Believe me, I'm fully cognisant of where I am, and when. It is simply that I have more to protect than a man in your position could possibly imagine. No offence, but a military career has never been considered to be upwardly mobile. I must contact my lawyer.
Picard: Your lawyer has been dead for centuries.
Ralph Offenhouse: Yes, of course I know that, but he was a full partner in a very important firm. Rest assured, that firm is still operating.
Picard: That's what this is all about. A lot has changed in the past three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We have grown out of our infancy.
Picard: Here's what I propose. You can't stay on the Enterprise, but I have arranged for us to rendezvous with the USS Charleston, bound for Earth. They will deliver you there.
Ralph Offenhouse: Then what will happen to us? There's no trace of my money. My office is gone. What will I do? How will I live?
Picard: This is the twenty fourth century. Material needs no longer exist.
Ralph Offenhouse: Then what's the challenge?
Picard: The challenge, Mister Offenhouse, is to improve yourself. To enrich yourself. Enjoy it.

I Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan:

[Regula I cavern]
Carol: /.../ Actually, he's a lot like you. In many ways. Please tell me what you're feeling.
Kirk: There's a man out there I haven't seen in fifteen years who's trying to kill me. You show me a son that'd be happy to help him. My son. ...My life that could have been, ...and wasn't. And what am I feeling? ...Old. ...Worn out.
Carol: Let me show you something ...that'll make you feel young as when the world was new.
[Genesis cave]
Kirk: You did all this in a day?
Carol: The matrix formed in a day. The lifeforms grew later at a ...substantially accelerated rate.
McCoy: Jim! This is incredible. Have you ever seen the like?
Carol: Can I cook or can't I?

A następnie Star Trek 2009 (dopiero teraz dotarło do mnie jak potężna jest ta scena w warstwie dialogowej, przedtem jej rozkrzyczana wizualnie forma przesłaniała mi treść):

Pike: You know, I couldn't believe it when the bartender told me who you are.
Kirk: Who am I, Captain Pike?
Pike: Your father's son.
Kirk: (to bartender) Can I get another one?
Pike: For my dissertation, I was assigned the USS Kelvin. Something I admired about your dad, he didn't believe in no-win scenarios.
Kirk: Sure learned his lesson.
Pike: Well, it depends on how you define winning. You're here, aren't ya?
Kirk: Thanks.
Pike: You know, that instinct to leap without looking, that was his nature too, and in my opinion, it's something Starfleet's lost.
Kirk: Why are you talking to me, man?
Pike: 'Cause I looked up your file while you were drooling on the floor. Your aptitude tests are off the charts, so what is it? You like being the only genius-level repeat offender in the midwest?
Kirk: Maybe I love it.
Pike: Look, so your dad dies. You can settle for less than an ordinary life. Or do you feel like you were meant for something better? Something special? Enlist in Starfleet.
Kirk: Enli-- (laughs) You guys must be way down in your recruiting quota for the month.
Pike: If you're half the man your father was Jim, Starfleet could use you. You could be an officer in four years. You could have your own ship in eight. You understand what the Federation is, don't you? It's important. It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada.
Kirk: We done?
Pike: I'm done. Riverside Shipyard. The shuttle for new recruits leaves tomorrow oh-eight hundred. You know, your father was Captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved eight hundred lives, including your mother's. And yours. I dare you to do better.
(Pike leaves as Kirk stares at a Kelvin-shaped salt shaker)
[Riverside Shipyard]
(Kirk rides his motorcycle outside the shipyard, where he briefly witnesses the building of the Enterprise./.../)
[Shuttlecraft Gilliam]
(as the shuttlecrafts head to their various ships, including the Enterprise)
Kirk: I might throw up on you.
McCoy: Oh Jim, you got to look at this. Jim, look!
Kirk: What?
(they look out at Earth Spacedock and the massive Enterprise)
Kirk: Wow!

I wreszcie ENT "Broken Bow":

[Spacedock - view of Enterprise through window]
Forrest: When Zefram Cochrane made his legendary warp flight ninety years ago, and drew the attention of our new friends, the Vulcans. We realised that we weren't alone in the galaxy. Today we're about to cross a new threshold. For nearly a century, we've waded ankle-deep in the ocean of space. Now it's finally time to swim. (applause) The warp five engine wouldn't be a reality without men like Doctor Cochrane and Henry Archer, who worked so hard to develop it. So it's only fitting that Henry's son, Jonathan Archer, will command the first starship powered by that engine. (applause as Archer and senior officers leave) Rather than quoting Doctor Cochrane, I think we should listen to his own words from the dedication ceremony for the Warp Five Complex thirty two years ago.
Cochrane [on screen]: On this site, a powerful engine will be built. An engine that will someday help us travel a hundred times faster than we can today. (as the officers take their bridge stations) Imagine it. Thousands of inhabited planets at our fingertips. And we'll be able to explore those strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations. This engine will let us go boldly where no man has gone before.
(As these historic words are spoken, Archer remembers his childhood, when he and his dad placed an anti-gravity controller into the model.)
Archer: Take her out, Mister Mayweather. Straight and steady.
(Umbilicals are released and Enterprise glides out of spacedock)
Archer [OC]: How are we doing, Trip?
Tucker: Ready when you are.
Archer: Prepare for warp.
Travis: Course laid in, sir. Request permission to get underway.
T'Pol: The coordinates are off by point two degrees.
Archer: Thank you. Let's go.
#160 - Wysłana: 7 Cze 2016 13:58:44 - Edytowany przez: Q__
A wszystko to przeplatane odpowiednio optymistycznymi i podniosłymi cytatami z samego Roddenberry'ego, astronautki Mae Jemison, Bertranda Russella, Carla Sagana...

Zaczyna się od już zacytowanej myśli G. R. Po przemowie Edith mamy doktor Jemison:

"I saw 'Star Trek' the original series as a little girl and for me it was really great because it talked about and it dealt with situations that were going on at the time, but you saw it with a lens of another place, another time, another world..."

I niedokładnie zacytowane o tym, że "she felt affirmed by the diversity of characters represented on the show. At the time, that diversity wasn't present in the real-life astronaut corps."

Przed młodym Kirkiem mamy Russella:

"The future possibilities of space-travel, which are now left mainly to unfounded fantasy, could be more soberly treated without ceasing to be interesting and could show to even the most adventurous of the young that a world without war need not be a world without adventurous and hazardous glory. To this kind of contest there is no limit. Each victory is only a prelude to another, and no boundaries can be set to rational hope."

A po spełnieniu dziecięcych marzeń Archera - Sagana (cytat z "Błękitnej kropki"):

"The visions we offer our children shape the future. It matters what those visions are. Often they become self-fulfilling prophecies. Dreams are maps. I do not think it irresponsible to portray even the direst futures; if we are to avoid them, we must understand that they are possible. But where are the alternatives? Where are the dreams that motivate and inspire? We long for realistic maps of a world we can be proud to give to our children. Where are the cartographers of human purpose? Where are the visions of hopeful futures, of technology as a tool for human betterment and not a gun on hair trigger pointed at our heads?"

I na koniec dostajemy cykl wymownych obrazów. Ukazują się naszym oczom:
- Ro Laren otulająca obdarte dziecko (z obozu dla uchodźców na Valo II) swoją bluzą mundurową,
- Ent-D zbliżający się do majestatycznego Grzybka,
- wschód słońc nad obcą planetą (Risą konkretnie)
- Riker zachwycający się holodeckiem po raz pierwszy,
- Voyager niszczący, na komendę Kaśki, asteroid zagrażający planecie,
- gmach Starfleet Command wśród zieleni,
- zaawansowany sprzęt w ambulatorium Beverly i holograficzna symulacja kręgosłupa unosząca się w powietrzu, w czasie gdy sama Bev dyskutuje z koleżanką po fachu (konkretnie z Toby Russell),
- replikator produkujący wino (jednemu z odmrożeńców z "The Neutral Zone"),
- pracujący na pełnych obrotach rdzeń Warp i Ent-D gnający w efekcie wśród gwiazd where no one has gone before ,
- Sisko i Dax na pokładzie Defianta, będący zachwyconymi świadkami dania nowego życia umierającej gwieździe,
- EMH błyskawicznie leczący ranę pacjenta dermoregeneratorem,
- Paris i Kaśka dający wodę spragnionym Kazonom,
- finalna rozgrywka pokerową z "All Good Things...", a potem widok statku (mocne zamknięcie na zamknięcie, aż szkoda, że słów nie było słychać).

Znakomite - choć sceny z "The Neutral Zone" trochę za mocno pocięte, a do stylistyki ziemskich scen FC i pokrwawionego nosa neoKirka chyba nigdy się nie przekonam - przypomnienie czym Trek był, jest i... być powinien.

(Mav, pitrock, Elaan, jakoś tak z myślą o Was, po naszych niedawnych dyskusjach o ST.)
#161 - Wysłana: 3 Lip 2016 02:59:55 - Edytowany przez: Robotronik
Witam po dosc dlugiej podrozy nieobecnosci..ale nadal jestem na pokladzie

przepraszam ze nie w temat sie pytam ale:

Czy jest gdzies watek na temat pracy i dzialaniach Dr.Steven Greer ?

#162 - Wysłana: 3 Lip 2016 09:08:21

Witamy ponownie, z tej radości nawet Ci offtop wybaczę.

Czy jest gdzies watek na temat pracy i dzialaniach Dr.Steven Greer ?

Jeśli mowa o tym lekarzu i ufologu:
To chyba stosowny do dyskusji byłby topic o UFO, po prostu, w którym zresztą wspominałem coś tam o jego The Disclosure Project (konkretnie: wrzuciłem link do strony tegoż projektu): ead&forum=6&topic=1106&page=19#msg280274
#163 - Wysłana: 8 Lis 2018 18:58:38
Podniosłe mowy z Treka też lubimy:
#164 - Wysłana: 22 Lis 2018 09:40:11
W USA Święto Dziękczynienia, więc na mamy tekst o tym, za co Treker ma prawo - a nawet powinien - być wdzięczny gdy myśli o Treku: on-thanksgiving

Co ciekawe na pierwszym miejscu znalazło się propagowanie ducha przyjaźni.
#165 - Wysłana: 8 Kwi 2019 08:57:25
Gene Roddenberry o swojej filozofii:
#166 - Wysłana: 12 Paź 2019 13:03:46
Robert Picardo przypomina list Roddenberry'ego wyrażający wsparcie dla The Planetary Society, i przekonanie, że ideały tej organizacji tożsame są z ideałami Treka: r-from-gene-roddenberry

W/w list w całości: isc/20180907_gene-roddenberry-the-planetary-societ y.html
#167 - Wysłana: 15 Maj 2020 15:52:33
#168 - Wysłana: 24 Sier 2020 18:21:30 - Edytowany przez: Q__
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